...is in desperate need of reform

Kit wrote:

NotBert wrote:You seem to have subverted this thread from its original drift as well, Kit.

Not complaining, it exemplifies the way that any such debate goes in this country currently. Except that you are massive value, Kit, whereas I would not piss on a lot of the media and the cabinet in this country were they on fire

I know where you are come from, that great socialist Tony 'fucking' Benn for instance. He had two or three generation MP's before him (great great granfather etc) then he shoe horned that awful Hilary character into a job, and I hear there is another Benn trying it on at this very time.

70,000,000 people, but obviously only the fucking Benn's are suitable!

But its OK , Wedgwood gave up his title!

Power to the people!

Don't stop there - Miliband/Miliband, Balls/Cooper, Harman/Dromey, rotten to the fucking core.

so where does your 'x' go in an election bert?

I guess you may be a person who does not vote?

I have to vote for the least worst, Kit. I have a history of not voting on the same premise but there comes a point where you have to be counted even if in vain.

The safe seat distribution in this country makes my vote (and indeed the vote of most of us) irrelevant anyway. I am pleased with my MPs constituency work, though, irrespective of how shit the system is.

well at least you do vote, there is nothing worse than people who moan, yet do not.

I have never missed a vote , but its been a different bunch almost every time.

The initial start of my distaste for local council services and their employees, took place when I was walking home one sunny evening past our local announcements board .

On it was a leaflet from the local council basically saying

"have you moved into this area from abroad recently? have you experienced any hostility or racism? if so we would like to hear from you" blah blah blah

This is in an area which is 99% white middle class!

What pissed me off, is they were seeking to find a problem, almost to create a problem. I guess there was a Nu labour budget that needed using up.

We need to cut down the public sector to pre nu labour levels , and then cut again.

From each according to his ability...to each according to his needs is what I say.

Mad Tony wrote:From each according to his ability...to each according to his needs is what I say.

every person should contribute to society to the best of his or her ability and consume from society in proportion to his or her needs



What fucking society?

Kit wrote:The initial start of my distaste for local council services and their employees, took place when I was walking home one sunny evening past our local announcements board .

On it was a leaflet from the local council basically saying

"have you moved into this area from abroad recently? have you experienced any hostility or racism? if so we would like to hear from you" blah blah blah

This is in an area which is 99% white middle class!

What pissed me off, is they were seeking to find a problem, almost to create a problem. I guess there was a Nu labour budget that needed using up.

We need to cut down the public sector to pre nu labour levels , and then cut again.

No government will be free of that, Kit. What that was is nothing more than a poster. There is no support for that but there has to be seen to have support for it. That way some centralised diversity (I fucking hate that word - unnecessary if equality exists) policy edict is met and everyone looks "inclusive" despite the fact that everything you see listed on an equal opportunities statement will not be met. It just looks like it has

Kit wrote:well at least you do vote, there is nothing worse than people who moan, yet do not.

I have never missed a vote , but its been a different bunch almost every time.

I have to disagree with that. Within the right to vote is also the right not to vote and register protest in the same.

Who is worse, the voter who turns up to spoil their paper or the one who doesn't vote?

Spoiler:

Guest wrote:well at least you do vote, there is nothing worse than people who moan, yet do not.

I have never missed a vote , but its been a different bunch almost every time.

George Carlin turns this sentiment on its head. I refused to vote for it, it's the voters who are the fucking problem.