this situation with carers in care homes,the hospital "care pathway" ,

we're probably there already.
and just looking the other way.
as we do.

erixter wrote:we're probably there already.
and just looking the other way.
as we do.

euthanasia mate.

well why not?
at least with euthanasia,
you're given help.

on this care pathway job,
you're just left,
probably in a corridor somewhere.
hence the term "pathway".
to starve,
dehydrate,
no drugs,
no help,
and finally,
die.
apparently.

i know wich one i'd prefer.

A fallacy, Eric, media putting the shits up the general public and trying to disrupt end-of-life care. Here's a petition letter that medical professionals are rallying behind in face of this shitstorm

Over recent weeks there has been an increasing number of articles regarding the use of the Liverpool Care Pathway in end of life care.

Whilst open debate around issues surrounding end of life care should be encouraged, we have become increasingly concerned about the impact that this polarised and damaging coverage will have on the care of patients who are dying.

The Liverpool Care Pathway was designed to ensure that the highest standard of care is provided for patients who are in the last few days of their lives. It enables patients to have access to the best quality of care in any healthcare setting. This is a pathway used to care for patients, not to hasten their death as has been suggested in some recent reports. The decision to initiate this care pathway is made by the healthcare professionals in partnership with the patient and their carers and is never undertaken lightly. Such decisions would never be based on financial constraints, but always on recognition that a patient is dying and that further investigation and treatment would be futile, undignified and intrusive.

The principle of the Liverpool Care Pathway is to provide excellent symptom control for patients who are at the end of their life. It ensures that unnecessary medical interventions are not performed and instead promotes dignity in the last hours or days of life.

The care pathway highlights the importance of regular re-assessment of the patient’s condition and communication with the patient’s family or carers. If a patient’s condition improves this can be identified quickly; the care pathway can be discontinued at any time to enable appropriate treatment to be commenced.

The recent articles describing the Liverpool Care Pathway as a "death pathway" are misleading and contain numerous inaccuracies. These articles have hugely undermined the benefits which it can bring for patients. All of the healthcare professionals who have signed this letter have been involved in the care of dying patients; many of us have also cared for friends or relatives during the final days of their lives.

Both personally and professionally we therefore recognise the value of the Liverpool Care Pathway in delivering high quality, compassionate and dignified end-of-life care.

This is how we would wish to be cared for at the end of our lives and our patients deserve to be offered nothing less.

NotBert wrote:A fallacy, Eric, media putting the shits up the general public and trying to disrupt end-of-life care. Here's a petition letter that medical professionals are rallying behind in face of this shitstorm

Over recent weeks there has been an increasing number of articles regarding the use of the Liverpool Care Pathway in end of life care.

Whilst open debate around issues surrounding end of life care should be encouraged, we have become increasingly concerned about the impact that this polarised and damaging coverage will have on the care of patients who are dying.

The Liverpool Care Pathway was designed to ensure that the highest standard of care is provided for patients who are in the last few days of their lives. It enables patients to have access to the best quality of care in any healthcare setting. This is a pathway used to care for patients, not to hasten their death as has been suggested in some recent reports. The decision to initiate this care pathway is made by the healthcare professionals in partnership with the patient and their carers and is never undertaken lightly. Such decisions would never be based on financial constraints, but always on recognition that a patient is dying and that further investigation and treatment would be futile, undignified and intrusive.

The principle of the Liverpool Care Pathway is to provide excellent symptom control for patients who are at the end of their life. It ensures that unnecessary medical interventions are not performed and instead promotes dignity in the last hours or days of life.

The care pathway highlights the importance of regular re-assessment of the patient’s condition and communication with the patient’s family or carers. If a patient’s condition improves this can be identified quickly; the care pathway can be discontinued at any time to enable appropriate treatment to be commenced.

The recent articles describing the Liverpool Care Pathway as a "death pathway" are misleading and contain numerous inaccuracies. These articles have hugely undermined the benefits which it can bring for patients. All of the healthcare professionals who have signed this letter have been involved in the care of dying patients; many of us have also cared for friends or relatives during the final days of their lives.

Both personally and professionally we therefore recognise the value of the Liverpool Care Pathway in delivering high quality, compassionate and dignified end-of-life care.

This is how we would wish to be cared for at the end of our lives and our patients deserve to be offered nothing less.

okay.
but what ABOUT those who were put on?
and apparently snatched,
by relatives,
from,
the "pathway".
and seemingly experienceing a new lease of life.

and i'm not totally convinced about the modern day attitudes,
of doctors,
and carers,
generally.

sure,
you're bound to find a good one occassionally.
they ARE out there.
but i do think that "they", are few and far between.
personal view of course.

my ageing mother,
had a spell in a local hospital a 2 yrs ago,
having pins put into a hip,
after a fall.
and from operation,
and after-care,
through to food,
and physio,
she couldn't have spoken more highly,
of all concerned.

My Dad spent his last 2 days in a hospice and we as a family couldn't fault it . It was just a form of gentle euthanasia, once settled in bed the morphine was pumped in at regular intervals by a device a nurse and doctor came in at regular intervals while my dad just fell into a deep sleep, no sign of any pain or discomfort ...just fell into a sleep he didnt wake up from.

The problem won't be with the pathway, Eric. That professionals' letter clearly indicates that

NotBert wrote:The problem won't be with the pathway, Eric. That professionals' letter clearly indicates that

would YOU like to die of starvation and/or dehydration?

when you migh have LIVED another year or so.

bert,
it's wrong.

if they need to cut costs,
and they really DO,
make euthanasia an option.
and you you shouldn't be dying for it.
people like me are discriminated against because,
technically,
we're of sound mind and body.
and THAT stinks also.

we are the proletariat.
that's all.
we exist solely to pay taxes,
and for the amusement of power-brokers.
a war here,
a depression there.

it's all a jolly wheeze eh?

i'm sorry,
but that's how i see it.

But the problem isn't with the pathway, Eric. It is with the person administering it if there are corner-cutting problems.

Palliative care isn't about killing someone, it's about letting them die in as dignified a way as possible. Medics in the main arefully aware of that distinction.

NotBert wrote:But the problem isn't with the pathway,

Palliative care isn't about killing someone, it's about letting them die in as dignified a way as possible.

and if palliative care isn't available?

Then that's an issue of underfunding - it's failure to treat and it's the same all over whether it's palliative care, hospitals with A&E facilities or the waiting list for an ECG.

You don't see the press bandwagoning on the latter two, though, because the BBC leads the way in not telling the country that its free service at the point of use is being broken up, sold off and sold back to us by some rich cunt in a suit who has a seat in parliament and shares in patient misery. A&Es are forever being removed to the point that the city of Liverpool has only had one for getting on for twenty years. Queues have doubled since the assumption of power of the current unelected government.

It's managed decline. The irony being that's what the LCP is supposed to be.

there isn't a solution though.